1285-1314 gros tournois

[DGcoins]

Hello!

Please help with identification of the following coin.

 

[ALM]

bonjour

 

poids diamètre métal ?

 

https://www.google.fr/search?q=cgb+gros+philippe&espv=2&biw=1067&bih=533&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjc1sTst9nJAhVBthoKHbaQDocQ_AUIBygC

[DGcoins]

Diameter: 23-24 mm.

Weight: 3,51 g.

I have already surfed through CGB site and found some similar coins, but still have no idea what it is.

http://www.cgb.fr/philippe-v-le-long-gros-tournois-n-d-,bry_292469,a.html

http://www.cgbfr.net/philippe-iv-le-bel-gros-tournois-a-lo-rond-n-d-,bry_226267,a.html

[hpdp]

philippvs rex / tvronvs civis : http://www.cgb.fr/philippe-iii-le-hardi-et-philippe-iv-le-bel-monnayage-commun-a-partir-de-1280-gros-tournois-a-lo-rond-n-d-s-l-,bry_276087,a.html

trèfle après le S de tvronvS

bonne lecture (en français) : http://www.numis-club.fr/wp-content/uploads/ETUDE.pdf

[DGcoins]

Thank you.

I didn't find any similar to mine.

[Guillaume Hermann]

Le trouble de DGcoins vient du fait que CGB indique sur une fiche que "les gros de Philippe V se distinguent notamment de ceux de Philippe IV par la présence d'un signe de ponctuation entre TVRONVS et CIVIS, ici un trèfle à trois feuilles" (son premier lien) et attribue à Philippe IV un autre gros tournois présentant ces caractéristiques (son second lien).

J'ai déjà signalé plusieurs erreurs à CGB en partant du lien figurant sur chaque fiche pour ce faire; je n'ai JAMAIS eu de réponse et JAMAIS une erreur n'a été corrigée (dernière fois : ce 5 décembre pour une monnaie de 1577 attribuée à Henri IV roi de France).

[ddavid]

Philippe IV and Philippe V's gros tournois are quite difficult to distinguish, as you can see on cgb site. More or less everybody agrees that a crescent or a hammer between TVRONVS/CIVIS and PHILIPPVS/REX are features of Philippe V. For the other cases,

you can find a convincing recap on this forum at

http://www.numismatique.com/topic/10424-identification-monnaie-philippe-iv/#p152301

 

numis87 states that Philippe V's most distinctive signs are : stretched castle, thiner letters with more space between them (especially TVRONVS CIVIS), n of nOmE is an n but not an N...)

 

So your coin (as well as the two of cgb you've cited) seems to be Philippe IV's.

[DGcoins]

Philippe IV and Philippe V's gros tournois are quite difficult to distinguish, as you can see on cgb site. More or less everybody agrees that a crescent or a hammer between TVRONVS/CIVIS and PHILIPPVS/REX are features of Philippe V. For the other cases,

you can find a convincing recap on this forum at

http://www.numismatique.com/topic/10424-identification-monnaie-philippe-iv/#p152301

numis87 states that Philippe V's most distinctive signs are : stretched castle, thiner letters with more space between them (especially TVRONVS CIVIS), n of nOmE is an n but not an N...)

So your coin (as well as the two of cgb you've cited) seems to be Philippe IV's.

Thank you!

So it is Philippe IV's coin.

As for a price: €250 - ok?

[Guillaume Hermann]

Philippe IV and Philippe V's gros tournois are quite difficult to distinguish, as you can see on cgb site. More or less everybody agrees that a crescent or a hammer between TVRONVS/CIVIS and PHILIPPVS/REX are features of Philippe V. For the other cases,

you can find a convincing recap on this forum at

http://www.numismatique.com/topic/10424-identification-monnaie-philippe-iv/#p152301

 

numis87 states that Philippe V's most distinctive signs are : stretched castle, thiner letters with more space between them (especially TVRONVS CIVIS), n of nOmE is an n but not an N...)

 

So your coin (as well as the two of cgb you've cited) seems to be Philippe IV's.

Traduction :

"Les gros tournois de Philippe IV et de Philippe V sont assez difficiles à distinguer, comme tu peux le voir sur le site de CGB. A peu près tout le monde est d'accord pour dire qu'un croissant ou un marteau entre TVRONVS/CIVIS et PHILIPPVS/REX est caractéristique de Philippe V. Pour les autres cas, tu peux voir un récapitulatif convaincant sur ce forum :

http://www.numismatique.com/topic/10424-identification-monnaie-philippe-iv/#p152301

 

Numis87 déclare que les éléments les plus distinctifs de Philippe V sont : un châtel étiré, des lettres plus fines et plus espacées (surtout TVRONVS CIVIS), le fait que le n de nOmE est un n et non un N...

 

Par conséquent, ta monnaie (comme les deux de CGB dont tu as donné les liens) semble être de Philippe IV."

[ddavid]

It seems too much for me. gcb's prices are professional seller's prices, hence high. If you want to sell it yourself, the price is lower.

Your coin is nice looking, has quite high reliefs but the planchet is short and irregular. As a consequence the weight is low (it should be 4,1 g). The distinctive sign on your coin between PHILIPPVS/REX is not so important. So I would rather say around one hundred euros... sorry.

But this is only my opinion, you can make your own one looking for instance on ebay.